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| Keywords: Flag of Croatia for discussion.svg Flag of Croatia Temporary upload as a workspace for the discussion at Image talk Flag of Croatia svg Created by uploader based on Image Flag of Croatia svg 08 14 11 December 2007 UTC See File history below insignia Purpose This file is intended to serve as a workspace for the dispute at Image talk Flag of Croatia svg Please feel free to upload new versions here but if you do so please also add a new entry in the section below explaining exactly how and why you chose the particular colors But please stick to the point and keep your explanations short Blue Please do not discuss each other's rationales here If you upload a new version just add your own rationale All discussion should take place at Image talk Flag of Croatia svg http //upload wikimedia org/wikipedia/commons/archive/b/bc/20071217174621 21Flag_of_Croatia_for_discussion svg Original upload Lupo 08 14 11 December 2007 UTC the light blue used in the 1st 3rd and 5th shield of the crown is 0098ca This value corresponds roughly to the light blue used http //www wipo int/ipdl/IPDL-IMAGES/SIXTERXML-IMAGES/images/hr2 jpg here averaged out ; the dark blue used for the 2nd and 4th shield is 0202b2 from the same source again averaged out These choices also in my opinion agree roughly with this sketch that does look a bit washed out though The dark blue of the bottom stripe of the flag is again 0202b2 There doesn't seem to be a formal definition for the kind of blue to use for that bottom stripe but unless there's compelling evidence that a third kind of blue should be used I think we should use only two shades of blue Photos from real flags such as http //www domnik net/topoi/commons/HR/varazdin/05n_varazdin05 jpg http //www pbase com/kevbelcher/image/25217641 http //www vecernji hr/system/galleries/pics/071124/zastava jpg http //ec europa eu/avservices/photo/photo_search_en cfm keyword croatia EU web site 7th image should be a Croatian flag hi-res version for non-commercial purposes available only after registration http //www croatianworld net/Letters/6282 htm third image form the top or also the two photos in our own Category Flags of Croatia show that the precise shades of blue vary but in all images the bottom stripe is close to the dark blue used in the crown and in all images the light blue in the crown is much lighter than the blue of the bottom stripe Of course photos of real flags should be taken with a grain of salt as the flags may be weathered and sometimes the lighting conditions are difficult Lupo 08 14 11 December 2007 UTC Near to the ordinary blue 0000ff Light blue is used for the 1st 3rd 5th section of the Crown According to many sources and Lupo's comment that it should be lighter is set as 457DE2 The before colour done by me was very close to royal blue and this one is similar too But it �s however lightened Nevertheless it is still called blue in the Law Whatever colour you use in those sections of the Crown you should use for the 3rd band of the Flag as well Light blue in 1st 3rd 5th section of the Crown is not sacred At lots of places it is blue like the colour of the bottom band of the Flag So weather you use light blue or not this is the blue that should be used for the bottom band of the Flag Because we are here to make a compromise and original sources use light blue and Minestrone Suradnik13 and R-41 agree that it should be light blue and not turquoise nor some lightened blue-green I have also left light blue / blue question at peace Light blue at 1st 3rd 5th section shield of the Crown has a historical meaning because in those sections are the CoA �s of kingdoms and in 2nd and 4th are the CoA �s of below kingdoms but rather significant parts of Croatia It is well in our right to use and justify the use of royal blue as the colour of 1st 3rd 5th section of the Crown that lay on top of the main shield Blue for the 3rd band of the Flag from the top is set most near to the ordinary blue 0000FF and in order to compromise is set at RGB 0 0 247 as used in that http //www nn hr/clanci/sluzbeno/1999/1754 htm Presidential decree in hex 0000F7 and in Inkscape 0000f7ff � which ads some depth The beauty of this is that in case of using that decree there is no need to average anything Navy blue is used as suggested from the w List of colors With 000080 in Inkscape 000080ff Navy blue should be used because it is constantly used for the 2nd and 4th section of the Crown Nobody should object to its use at its proper place in the CoA because it must be much darker than the 3rd band of the Flag It use is present at the first drawing of the CoA and commons use very similar design to that of this first drawing Pushing for the usage of simple dark blue here isn �t good for the making of a compromise which will be elaborated below For the marten I have not used 964B00 Brown but rather an ordinary dark brown 654321 It is also similar to that of the presidential decree The border of the marten is set in darker dark brown 3E2915 but not in black and the border of the white belly of the marten is 4B341D Other contributions are new moon in the 1st section is thinner And I have noticed that other users think that the Crown should go even higher into the red band of the Flag It cannot go any more than it is compromise set here Namely I have set the red line which borders the chequered shield into the red band of the Flag thus leaving only those white surroundings which cannot go into the red band of the Flag The Leopard heads are modified as well as the border of the goat's body This has been done because some users think that those characters are smaller than should be as well with the first drawing as a source Change is from 544B20 to D4AA00 The eye of the goat is 554400 and the eyes of the leopards are E3C240 Namely when the manes of the leopards were 544B20 the eyes were lighter than it but darker than main yellow colour This pattern is retained The before had too much green-blue In this way we are not trapped between selecting weather the blue on the Flag should be of either one of the two blue colours of the CoA The most middle and compromise blue of the 3rd band of the Flag looking from the top I showed how not to stick to the Law but still obey its norms In case of using dark blue instead of navy blue that dark blue or any other more dark blue like the averaged 0202B2 would seem to close to the 3rd band of the Flag and we would be in the zone of disrespect of the Law I am not sad because of the compromises I had to make In case I kept silent as others there would still be that horrid version of the Flag which uses even darker blue than those of the navy blue Yes that is correct the before version used 011171fe 011171 Hopefully that would now become history Sources are Flags are somewhat expensive most of the younger generations that had schooling after the year 1992 Which went to school for at least one year after that year received/bought books from the publisher Školska knjiga Zagreb This is the biggest publisher of school books in Croatia Those books and other schooling material from 1992 had in itself printings of the Flag These school books are printed in great numbers that are greater than those of the any domestic flag manufacturer probably even all domestic flag manufacturers together They use 1/3/5 Crown section and bottom band of the Flag sameness from about-croatia http //www about-croatia com/croatia-flag php which uses three colours of blue 3B with the significant difference between 2/4 section of the Crown and bottom band of the Flag from bigfoto http //www bigfoto com/sites/galery/croatia/croatia-flag jpg interesting appearance of the two variety of the bottom band Usage of 3B at fotw http //www fotw us/flags/hr html and its subsidiary crwflags http //www crwflags com/fotw/flags/hr html even if they use darker variant � they are only people like us � and can make mistakes Like Zeljko Heimer and his view of the CoA http //public carnet hr/~zheimer/hrgrb htm Interesingly enough they both of them Carlos Esparza Zeljko Heimer do not obey the FOTW colour guide http //www crwflags com/fotw/flags/fotwcols html which is to be used when there are no definitive source From stickergiant http //www stickergiant com/page/sg/PROD/europe/croatia35 interestingly enough this kind of a CoA I �ve seen at the cover page of the Informatics 1 schoolbook of Damir Muraja and in number other places that use normal blue in 1/3/5 and in bottom band of the Flag from one of the producers that produce both 3B and other variants � which depend on the customers wishes like http //us st11 yimg com/us st yimg com/I/united-states-flag_1983_121331835 False Flag that CIA used till around 2007-07-15 http //graphicmaps com/webimage/flags/countrys/europe/croatia htm which tell you all about the respect of the Flag I have seen our current president this year in front of this flag when he visited Croatia �s neighbouring country � Montenegro interesting bunch of different variants and what is even more interesting none of them use even a bit of green in the 1/3/5 http //www embassyflag com/flag_pages/croatia htm from fotosearch http //www fotosearch com/SBY067/57340802/ from worldofstock a photo http //www worldofstock com/closeups/TCR1106 php from the President website http //www predsjednik hr/popUp asp param Slike/2007/06/12/3113977v JPG Rainman 18 40 27 December 2007 UTC It is possible that better color coordination is necessary when blue band/stripe equals 0000F7 or 0000FF So in that case I would rather used E11818 for red band/stripe as well for all the other red places instead of FF0000 which is too bright of a red color -- Rainman 02 41 14 January 2008 UTC Vexilla Mundi blue This version uses http //www vexilla-mundi com/croatia_flag html Mello Luchtenbergs blue for the third band/stripe of the Flag that is 0051BA which had been used by a commons user R-41 for a version from http //upload wikimedia org/wikipedia/commons/archive/1/1b/20070805220106 21Flag_of_Croatia svg August 5 2007 17 10 UTC To this version Lupo pointed out at the begining of his discussion This is probably a better compromise than plain and screaming 0000ff 0000f7 version Even Zeljko Heimer suggested in part Mello Luchtenberg colour schematic for which Mello calculated even the PANTONE ® 293 / RGB 0 81 186 But Minestrone should now consider to show better sources than talking about fans media houses and some flags that he is seeing every day Other blue colours are 3B75DA for the lighter and 393E91 for the darker blue Minestrone approved for the use on the CoA Rainman 18 20 29 December 2007 UTC When you compare the Vexilla Mundi blue 0051BA to that of mine 2A4ECD you shall see that it is most simmilar I still think that in light of the UN flag mine colour is better -- Rainman 02 33 10 January 2008 UTC Solution most close to 0000FF The 0000FF is too dazzling like 00FF00 so this new compromise is based on it and sourced to the Presidential decision and the Category Military of Croatia Blue 1111FF third band from the top Blue 2A4ECD 1st 3rd 5th section of the Crown Blue 000080 2nd 4th section of the Crown - Navy blue as per the letter of the Law Rainman 23 15 17 January 2008 UTC Uses the correct border of the Coat of arms In a great majority of cases the CoA as represented on the Flag is bordered by a single one red line AND not with double two lines white line + red line border See the talk page Rainman 23 15 17 January 2008 UTC Interesting source http //www predsjednik hr/popUp asp param Slike/2007/10/04/8595697v JPG here -- Rainman 00 49 13 February 2008 UTC Another interesting source http //www predsjednik hr/popUp asp param Slike/2007/12/19/9031030v JPG there -- Rainman 00 08 15 February 2008 UTC pages | ||||
